Subject: Re: Thanks (rethought)
From: Tom Feldvebel (tom@crystalrealm.com)
Date: Sun Jun 20 1999 - 19:46:00 CDT
Hi Craig,
I think you hit the proper tone on the head. Sooooo, rebel flyers....
when do we begin the first annual Kiss My Ass FAI speed trials???
(Brad - better break out that radar gun catalog again -- Scott - can you lay hands on some material to make a protective barrier of sorts for the gunman?)
Tom
----- Original Message -----
From: Carla&Craig <crct@flash.net>
To: Tom Feldvebel <tom@crystalrealm.com>
Cc: Tim Stover <tstover@pacbell.net>; Scott Hewett <hewett@jps.net>; John Horning <jhorndog@jps.net>; Dave Reese <Tuffpuppy@aol.com>; Brad Grim <bgrim@jps.net>
Sent: Saturday, June 19, 1999 9:50 PM
Subject: Re: Thanks (rethought)
> Hey Tom,
> After talking to Ron about this on the hill we came to a conclusion.
> All but a handfull of flyers in the Bay Area are girls. You guys have a
> bunch of great flyers at your location. The good side is that there is
> obviously a great sharing of ideas and coaching between the pilots to
> produce so many aces. The bad side is that you might think that every
> location is this productive. What I'm getting at is there might not be
> enough people interested in this event unless it had a foam catagory.
>
> I'm good for my part if a group gets together for bragging rights, video
> and an article. Or shit, just the bragging rights and a video. I want
> some DS speed numbers and carnage on video. I want all out unlimited
> (FAI kiss my ass) speed numbers. Make it as fast as you can ...period.
>
> I'm ready,
>
> Craig
>
> Tom Feldvebel wrote:
> >
> > Craig,
> > I am totally behind you on the issue of the FAI being old and creaky.... I
> > am all for starting off on our own.
> > Frankly, I would be interested in going along for a ride just to watch this
> > event.... even if I don't have a plane ready. If I do have a plane ready, I
> > would be willing to pay my entry fee for a timing ticket, and a possible
> > shot at having my plane's picture and speed posted in a "winners" gallery on
> > your NorCal Slope website. I think there should be 3 classes: 2-meter(FAI),
> > 3-meter(FAI), and unlimited. That way, anyone can race in at least one
> > category, and if the wind conditions permit, they can bal'st to the limit
> > too. Entry fees should be cheap enough to draw a crowd (one fee per flier /
> > category entered, no limit on planes flown), that way the promoters can
> > defray the rental cost for the radar and laptop, etc. I might volunteer my
> > motorhome as a mobile "base operations" - complete with a gourmet chef (if
> > we could get John Horning to come) - it may be possible to pay for fuel and
> > campsite fees out of revenues if this catches on. I have already envisioned
> > an event modeled on a "safari" model, where base operations move to
> > pre-determined sites over a period of a week or so - spending 1 or 2 days at
> > each site, and people pre-register for the days/locations that they want to
> > race in. Oh well, I could dream on.... I am sure there is some way to get
> > this on the road, I just want some time in my shop before it happens... Brad
> > and I have thrown the radar idea around for a bit with no takers except for
> > you. Now that we have three of us, maybe a group sponsorship is possible. I
> > think the radar rental was $250.00 for a week. We also have to think about
> > insurance, and protection for the radar operator (a cage???) If this is to
> > happen, are we going to miss the seasonal window?? I heard you mention you'd
> > be ready tomorrow! How much time is there left for this, (Sunset is already
> > pretty much into the summer doldrums, but Scott and Tim might be better able
> > to attest to wind conditions than me.)
> > I may be dreaming too big here...., your comments are very welcome. Maybe we
> > should try something smaller first, then scale it up a bit next year.
> > I hope you don't mind if I cc some of the guys.
> >
> > Tom
> >
> > ----- Original Message -----
> > From: Carla&Craig <crct@flash.net>
> > To: Tom Feldvebel <tom@crystalrealm.com>
> > Sent: Friday, June 18, 1999 11:35 AM
> > Subject: Re: Thanks
> >
> > > The radar gun seems like the only option if you plan to incorporate DS
> > > events into the series. The FAI might want to open a new category for
> > > DS, and if the only logical way to measure speed is with a radar gun
> > > perhaps the device would be approved for slope speed also. When the word
> > > gets around that the world record mark is routinely broken by 30, 40 and
> > > 50+ mph at slope and DS events over the course of a season the FAI is
> > > going to be perceived as antiquated and resistant to the new age of
> > > soaring. They will either have to come around or be replaced as the
> > > official guardians of the glider speed records. I'm a little bitter
> > > that they changed the requirements for the task and the result was that
> > > a 240+ mph speed record over 50 meters was erased from the records.
> > > Since gliders do not have an onboard energy source the idea of an
> > > instantaneous radar reading fits the task more appropriatly than a 200m
> > > time trap. If we start putting up big numbers, the competitors will
> > > come. If the competitors come and there is a lot of fun to be had, and
> > > you make some cash, the world record will be icing on the cake.
> > >
> > > Craig
> > >
> > > Tom Feldvebel wrote:
> > > >
> > > > Craig,
> > > > For obvious reasons, I want to have something in hand to make the
> > prospects
> > > > for a record look enticing., for the first time in months, I feel a
> > little
> > > > more like going down to the shop after dinner to work on planes,
> > > > soooo......I don't know how or if the FIA will approve of a radar gun,
> > but
> > > > there may be merit in checking out that option. I downloaded and read
> > some
> > > > information on FIA sanction procedures. I think you also forwarded a
> > link to
> > > > me on a couple of Austrians (Germans??) who did the same and got FIA
> > > > sanctioning for their speed attempt. Brad and I got the lowdown on a
> > radar
> > > > gun that interfaces with a laptop, so that you can record a graphical
> > real
> > > > time trace for each run. The accuracy claimed was astounding, something
> > like
> > > > "clocked a BB at 200 mph" . I hope to hear Dave's impressions from the
> > event
> > > > when he gets home. Maybe we can plan something "different" based on his
> > > > recommendations.
> > > > Tom
> > > >
> > > > ----- Original Message -----
> > > > From: Carla&Craig <crct@flash.net>
> > > > To: Tom Feldvebel <tom@crystalrealm.com>
> > > > Sent: Friday, June 18, 1999 8:07 AM
> > > > Subject: Thanks
> > > >
> > > > > Hi Tom,
> > > > > Thanks for the info. I didn't know you were interested in full scale.
> > It
> > > > > doesn't suprise me. They are fascinating functional works of art, not
> > > > > unlike your gliders.
> > > > >
> > > > > Do you still have plans for a "Speed Series" with a radar gun at
> > various
> > > > > flying locations? Ron and I would be ready tomorrow for the first
> > event.
> > > > >
> > > > > See ya,
> > > > >
> > > > > Craig
> > > > >
> > > > > ps. use this e-mail address, the other one is painfully slow to access
> > > > > but provides an option for JPS users until the spam ban is lifted.
> > > > >
> > >
>
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