Subject: Re: Thanks (rethought)
From: Brad Grim (bgrim@jps.net)
Date: Sun Jun 20 1999 - 22:02:34 CDT
I talked to Richard today at SS he is willing to pitch in on the rental.
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At 05:46 PM 6/20/1999 -0700, Tom Feldvebel wrote:
> Hi Craig, the proper tone on the head. Sooooo, rebel flyers.... when
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>&<crct@flash.net>
><tom@crystalrealm.com>
><tstover@pacbell.net><hetjps.n><jhorndog@jps.net.net> Sent: Saturday, June
19, 1999 9:50 PM Subject: Re: Thanks (rethought)
>> Hey Tom,
>> After talking to Ron about this on the hill we came to a conclusion.
>> You guys have a
>> bunch of great flyers at your location. The good side is that there is
>> obviously a great sharing of ideas and coaching between the pilots to
>> The bad side is that you might think that every
>> What I'm getting at is there might not be
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>> I'm good for my part if a group gets together for bragging rights, video
>> I want
>> some DS speed numbers and carnage on video. I want all out unlimited
>> (FAI kiss my ass) speed numbers. Make it as fast as you can ...period.
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>> I'm ready,
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>> Craig
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>> Tom Feldvebel wrote:
>>>
>>> Craig,
>>> I am totally behind you on the issue of the FAI being old and
creaky.... I
>>> am all for starting off on our own.
>>> Frankly, I would be interested in going along for a ride just to watch
this
>>> event.... even if I don't have a plane ready. If I do have a plane
ready, I
>>> would be willing to pay my entry fee for a timing ticket, and a possible
>>> shot at having my plane's picture and speed posted in a "winners"
>gallery on
>>> your NorCal Slope website. I think there should be 3 classes:
2-meter(FAI),
>>> and unlimited. That way, anyone can race in at least one
>>> category, and if the wind conditions permit, they can bal'st to the limit
>>> too. Entry fees should be cheap enough to draw a crowd (one fee per
flier /
>>> category entered, no limit on planes flown), that way the promoters can
>>> defray the rental cost for the radar and laptop, etc. I might
volunteer my
>>> motorhome as a mobile "base operations" - complete with a gourmet chef
(if
>>> we could get John Horning to come) - it may be possible to pay for
fuel and
>>> campsite fees out of revenues if this catches on. I have already
envisioned
>>> an event modeled on a "safari" model, where base operations move to
>>> pre-determined sites over a period of a week or so - spending 1 or 2
>days at
>>> each site, and people pre-register for the days/locations that they
want to
>>> I am sure there is some way to get
>>> this on the road, I just want some time in my shop before it happens...
> Brad
>>> and I have thrown the radar idea around for a bit with no takers
except for
>>> you. Now that we have three of us, maybe a group sponsorship is
possible. I
>>> think the radar rental was $250.00 for a week. We also have to think
about
>>> If this is to
>>> happen, are we going to miss the seasonal window?? I heard you mention
>you'd
>>> be ready tomorrow! How much time is there left for this, (Sunset is
already
>>> pretty much into the summer doldrums, but Scott and Tim might be better
> able
>>> to attest to wind conditions than me.)
>>> I may be dreaming too big here...., your comments are very welcome.
>Maybe we
>>> should try something smaller first, then scale it up a bit next year.
>>> I hope you don't mind if I cc some of the guys.
>>>
>>> Tom
>>>
>>> ----- Original Message -----
>>>&<crct@flash.net>
>>><tom@crystalrealm.com>
>>> Sent: Friday, June 18, 1999 11:35 AM
>>> Subject: Re: Thanks
>>>
>>>> The radar gun seems like the only option if you plan to incorporate DS
>>>> The FAI might want to open a new category for
>>>> DS, and if the only logical way to measure speed is with a radar gun
>>>> perhaps the device would be approved for slope speed also. When the word
>>>> gets around that the world record mark is routinely broken by 30, 40 and
>>>> 50+ mph at slope and DS events over the course of a season the FAI is
>>>> going to be perceived as antiquated and resistant to the new age of
>>>> They will either have to come around or be replaced as the
>>>> I'm a little bitter
>>>> that they changed the requirements for the task and the result was that
>>>> a 240+ mph speed record over 50 meters was erased from the records.
>>>> Since gliders do not have an onboard energy source the idea of an
>>>> instantaneous radar reading fits the task more appropriatly than a 200m
>>>> If we start putting up big numbers, the competitors will
>>>> If the competitors come and there is a lot of fun to be had, and
>>>> you make some cash, the world record will be icing on the cake.
>>>>
>>>> Craig
>>>>
>>>> Tom Feldvebel wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>> Craig,
>>>>> For obvious reasons, I want to have something in hand to make the
>>> prospects
>>>>> for a record look enticing., for the first time in months, I feel a
>>> little
>>>>> more like going down to the shop after dinner to work on planes,
>>>>> soooo......I don't know how or if the FIA will approve of a radar gun,
>>> but
>>>>> there may be merit in checking out that option. I downloaded and read
>>> some
>>>>> information on FIA sanction procedures. I think you also forwarded a
>>> link to
>>>>> me on a couple of Austrians (Germans??) who did the same and got FIA
>>>>> sanctioning for their speed attempt. Brad and I got the lowdown on a
>>> radar
>>>>> gun that interfaces with a laptop, so that you can record a graphical
>>> real
>>>>> time trace for each run. The accuracy claimed was astounding, something
>>> like
>>>>> "clocked a BB at 200 mph" . I hope to hear Dave's impressions from the
>>> event
>>>>> when he gets home. Maybe we can plan something "different" based on his
>>>>> recommendations.
>>>>> Tom
>>>>>
>>>>> ----- Original Message -----
>>>>>&<crct@flash.net>
>>>>><tom@crystalrealm.com>
>>>>> Sent: Friday, June 18, 1999 8:07 AM
>>>>> Subject: Thanks
>>>>>
>>>>>> Hi Tom,
>>>>>> Thanks for the info. I didn't know you were interested in full scale.
>>> It
>>>>>> doesn't suprise me. They are fascinating functional works of art, not
>>>>>> unlike your gliders.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Do you still have plans for a "Speed Series" with a radar gun at
>>> various
>>>>>> flying locations? Ron and I would be ready tomorrow for the first
>>> event.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> See ya,
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Craig
>>>>>>
>>>>>> ps. use this e-mail address, the other one is painfully slow to access
>>>>>> but provides an option for JPS users until the spam ban is lifted.
>>>>>>
>>>>
>>
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