Subject: Re: Thanks (rethought)
From: Scott Hewett (hewett@jps.net)
Date: Sun Jun 20 1999 - 22:19:23 CDT
Yes, I can come up with something "Higgins proof". All
I can say about speed, is that you gotta get high, I
mean R e a l High. Sunset don't get it. Blanco
don't get it.
But, Dave get high. So, I don't have no answers.
Maybe LSD & Cape Sebastian.
S
Tom Feldvebel wrote:
> Hi Craig,I think you hit the proper tone on the head.
> Sooooo, rebel flyers....when do we begin the first
> annual Kiss My Ass FAI speed trials???(Brad - better
> break out that radar gun catalog again -- Scott - can
> you lay hands on some material to make a protective
> barrier of sorts for the gunman?)Tom ----- Original
> Message -----From: Carla&Craig <crct@flash.net>To:
> Tom Feldvebel <tom@crystalrealm.com>Cc: Tim Stover
> <tstover@pacbell.net>; Scott Hewett <hewett@jps.net>;
> John Horning <jhorndog@jps.net>; Dave Reese
> <Tuffpuppy@aol.com>; Brad Grim <bgrim@jps.net>Sent:
> Saturday, June 19, 1999 9:50 PMSubject: Re: Thanks
> (rethought) > Hey Tom,
> > After talking to Ron about this on the hill we came
> to a conclusion.
> > All but a handfull of flyers in the Bay Area are
> girls. You guys have a
> > bunch of great flyers at your location. The good
> side is that there is
> > obviously a great sharing of ideas and coaching
> between the pilots to
> > produce so many aces. The bad side is that you
> might think that every
> > location is this productive. What I'm getting at
> is there might not be
> > enough people interested in this event unless it
> had a foam catagory.
> >
> > I'm good for my part if a group gets together for
> bragging rights, video
> > and an article. Or shit, just the bragging rights
> and a video. I want
> > some DS speed numbers and carnage on video. I want
> all out unlimited
> > (FAI kiss my ass) speed numbers. Make it as fast as
> you can ...period.
> >
> > I'm ready,
> >
> > Craig
> >
> > Tom Feldvebel wrote:
> > >
> > > Craig,
> > > I am totally behind you on the issue of the FAI
> being old and creaky.... I
> > > am all for starting off on our own.
> > > Frankly, I would be interested in going along for
> a ride just to watch this
> > > event.... even if I don't have a plane ready. If
> I do have a plane ready, I
> > > would be willing to pay my entry fee for a timing
> ticket, and a possible
> > > shot at having my plane's picture and speed
> posted in a "winners" gallery on
> > > your NorCal Slope website. I think there should
> be 3 classes: 2-meter(FAI),
> > > 3-meter(FAI), and unlimited. That way, anyone
> can race in at least one
> > > category, and if the wind conditions permit, they
> can bal'st to the limit
> > > too. Entry fees should be cheap enough to draw a
> crowd (one fee per flier /
> > > category entered, no limit on planes flown), that
> way the promoters can
> > > defray the rental cost for the radar and laptop,
> etc. I might volunteer my
> > > motorhome as a mobile "base operations" -
> complete with a gourmet chef (if
> > > we could get John Horning to come) - it may be
> possible to pay for fuel and
> > > campsite fees out of revenues if this catches on.
> I have already envisioned
> > > an event modeled on a "safari" model, where base
> operations move to
> > > pre-determined sites over a period of a week or
> so - spending 1 or 2 days at
> > > each site, and people pre-register for the
> days/locations that they want to
> > > race in. Oh well, I could dream on.... I am sure
> there is some way to get
> > > this on the road, I just want some time in my
> shop before it happens... Brad
> > > and I have thrown the radar idea around for a bit
> with no takers except for
> > > you. Now that we have three of us, maybe a group
> sponsorship is possible. I
> > > think the radar rental was $250.00 for a week. We
> also have to think about
> > > insurance, and protection for the radar operator
> (a cage???) If this is to
> > > happen, are we going to miss the seasonal
> window?? I heard you mention you'd
> > > be ready tomorrow! How much time is there left
> for this, (Sunset is already
> > > pretty much into the summer doldrums, but Scott
> and Tim might be better able
> > > to attest to wind conditions than me.)
> > > I may be dreaming too big here...., your comments
> are very welcome. Maybe we
> > > should try something smaller first, then scale it
> up a bit next year.
> > > I hope you don't mind if I cc some of the guys.
> > >
> > > Tom
> > >
> > > ----- Original Message -----
> > > From: Carla&Craig <crct@flash.net>
> > > To: Tom Feldvebel <tom@crystalrealm.com>
> > > Sent: Friday, June 18, 1999 11:35 AM
> > > Subject: Re: Thanks
> > >
> > > > The radar gun seems like the only option if you
> plan to incorporate DS
> > > > events into the series. The FAI might want to
> open a new category for
> > > > DS, and if the only logical way to measure
> speed is with a radar gun
> > > > perhaps the device would be approved for slope
> speed also. When the word
> > > > gets around that the world record mark is
> routinely broken by 30, 40 and
> > > > 50+ mph at slope and DS events over the course
> of a season the FAI is
> > > > going to be perceived as antiquated and
> resistant to the new age of
> > > > soaring. They will either have to come around
> or be replaced as the
> > > > official guardians of the glider speed
> records. I'm a little bitter
> > > > that they changed the requirements for the task
> and the result was that
> > > > a 240+ mph speed record over 50 meters was
> erased from the records.
> > > > Since gliders do not have an onboard energy
> source the idea of an
> > > > instantaneous radar reading fits the task more
> appropriatly than a 200m
> > > > time trap. If we start putting up big numbers,
> the competitors will
> > > > come. If the competitors come and there is a
> lot of fun to be had, and
> > > > you make some cash, the world record will be
> icing on the cake.
> > > >
> > > > Craig
> > > >
> > > > Tom Feldvebel wrote:
> > > > >
> > > > > Craig,
> > > > > For obvious reasons, I want to have something
> in hand to make the
> > > prospects
> > > > > for a record look enticing., for the first
> time in months, I feel a
> > > little
> > > > > more like going down to the shop after dinner
> to work on planes,
> > > > > soooo......I don't know how or if the FIA
> will approve of a radar gun,
> > > but
> > > > > there may be merit in checking out that
> option. I downloaded and read
> > > some
> > > > > information on FIA sanction procedures. I
> think you also forwarded a
> > > link to
> > > > > me on a couple of Austrians (Germans??) who
> did the same and got FIA
> > > > > sanctioning for their speed attempt. Brad and
> I got the lowdown on a
> > > radar
> > > > > gun that interfaces with a laptop, so that
> you can record a graphical
> > > real
> > > > > time trace for each run. The accuracy claimed
> was astounding, something
> > > like
> > > > > "clocked a BB at 200 mph" . I hope to hear
> Dave's impressions from the
> > > event
> > > > > when he gets home. Maybe we can plan
> something "different" based on his
> > > > > recommendations.
> > > > > Tom
> > > > >
> > > > > ----- Original Message -----
> > > > > From: Carla&Craig <crct@flash.net>
> > > > > To: Tom Feldvebel <tom@crystalrealm.com>
> > > > > Sent: Friday, June 18, 1999 8:07 AM
> > > > > Subject: Thanks
> > > > >
> > > > > > Hi Tom,
> > > > > > Thanks for the info. I didn't know you were
> interested in full scale.
> > > It
> > > > > > doesn't suprise me. They are fascinating
> functional works of art, not
> > > > > > unlike your gliders.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Do you still have plans for a "Speed
> Series" with a radar gun at
> > > various
> > > > > > flying locations? Ron and I would be ready
> tomorrow for the first
> > > event.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > See ya,
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Craig
> > > > > >
> > > > > > ps. use this e-mail address, the other one
> is painfully slow to access
> > > > > > but provides an option for JPS users until
> the spam ban is lifted.
> > > > > >
> > > >
> >
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